Mom Life With Megan Howell

Meet Megan Howell! On top of being married for 10 years with 6 kids, she is an author, leadership, and legacy coach,  along with being a mom mentor. 


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Transcript

Nicole Clark: 0:05

Hey, what's up you guys, it is another week of shining light with Nicole. I'm Nicole, and mama's, this one's for you. This week, we are talking to Megan Howell, all about that mom life. Megan is an author, leadership and legacy coach and mom and mentor. She's been married for 10 years. And she is a mom of six kiddos. That's right, six kiddos, you're really going to enjoy this conversation. So here is my chat with Megan Howell. Welcome to season three. Welcome to the podcast, Megan.

Megan Howell: 0:55

Thanks!

Nicole Clark: 0:57

I just I've really been looking forward to our conversation today. And I have to be honest, you guys, because I haven't known Megan very long. But I can tell you that she loves Jesus. She loves her family and she stewards her gifts super well. She lives on mission and works on her purpose every day. And I just admire you so much. And I just want to thank you for all that you've done so far for Twelve12 ministries.

Megan Howell: 1:24

Well, thank you for involving me, it's it's an honor, and I'm glad to help out wherever I can.

Nicole Clark: 1:30

So today we are talking about motherhood. And we're talking about the good but also the less less than desirable of motherhood as well. And, and so there's just so many great examples of motherhood in the Bible. Like Sarah and Hagar, we have Rebecca and Rachel and Hannah and Elizabeth. And of course, Mary Jesus's mother. And so these women, they obeyed God's calling, served sacrificially and built a life of faith for their family. And we can just learn so much from their examples of these biblical mothers. And Megan, I know this is super cliche, and not every, not everyone is encouraged by her. But I am super motivated by the Proverbs 31 woman. And again, I know that I'm nothing like her. And I have major failing moments. You know, but but I am inspired by her. So I would love to just read a little bit from Proverbs 31:25-31. And so it says, "Strength and honor our her clothing, and she can laugh at the time to come. Her mouth speaks wisdom and loving instruction is on her tongue. She watches over the activities of her household and is never idle, her children rise up and call her blessed. Her husband also praises her. Many women have done noble deeds, but you surpass them all. Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord will be praised. Give her the reward of her labor, and let her works. praise her at the city gates." I love that so much.

Megan Howell: 3:13

Yes.

Nicole Clark: 3:15

Okay. So Megan, for real, to be honest, I just want to get out of the way and just let you pour into our listeners today. So So first, why don't you tell us a little bit about you. And then I would love for you to just share, you know what's on your heart and what you've learned on this journey?

Megan Howell: 3:32

Sure. So I grew up on a farm in Kansas, and I met my husband in college, he's from Kansas, as well. And we spent the first several years of our marriage there. And then about four and a half years ago, felt like we were being called to Texas really for no rhyme or reason. We just felt like it was where we were supposed to be. And so we went. And we had just had newborn twins, we had four kids under the age well, four kids, four and under. And we packed up and moved to a place where we had no family. Really no friends locally, you know. And so when we got here, we just like plopped ourselves into the middle of anyone's life who would have us because we knew we were gonna have to find a community. And so ever since then, it's been awesome because I God placed us right where we are supposed to be, like, literally on the right street in the right church, we've met the right people, and there's been so many different relationships and opportunities that have lined up because we were obedient. And so since then, we have had another child and I'm actually due to have our six here while I'm do Easter weekend, we will see when it shows up. But that's when it's coming. So I will have had six kids in about eight and a half years and we're very entrepreneurial minded. So we've always got some Some business stuff going on. And I have learned to ask for help. That has been a skill for sure that's a learned skill as a woman, I think because that Proverbs 31 woman even says there in the beginning, you know who can find her? Again, get like the first time, it's like this, hey, I'm about to tell you about this woman. But FYI, I don't really know where she is. So let that be a little bit of an encouragement to you that yes, it is something to, to go after and to be like, and, yeah, we want our children to rise up and to speak well of us, and we want to be a gift to them. And our husbands and you don't want to be lazy. But at the same time, we can't run all the way through that list and be like, Oh my gosh, I'm not hand making all of my kids clothing. I'm not proverbs 31 Woman. Like, that's not, that's not what we're wanting us to take on. So I think she's still lost, but we can search for.

Nicole Clark: 6:01

Yes, that's good. That's so good. Okay, so you guys, I hope you heard that. And you didn't miss that, that Megan is having her sixth, kiddo. And so you're busy. You're probably always on the go. And and things maybe they don't go the way that you have planned? And so I mean, can you just share a little bit either about what your day looks like? How do you plan? And how do you spend time for you?

Megan Howell: 6:33

Um, so I like to say that we have a very active life and we have a full life. Because I feel like busy is. I don't know, I there's the saying if the devil Can't Make You bad, who make you busy, right? Yeah, like busy is a distraction from kind of what we're supposed to be doing what we're supposed to be filling our time with. So, you know, I have realized that I've chosen my life and whatever is in my schedule, I choose it. And so if it's full, it's because I've done it to myself, because I want it that way. And I think that that's a realization, too, that a lot of us need to come to is that we really do pick our life. You know, if you look at a friend, you're not living in that house, you're not working that job, you're not married to her husband, like you really have chosen your life. And so we do get to choose how awful it is and what activity we're involved in and what activities our kids are involved in. And, you know, we might need help kind of narrowing down different priorities sometimes, but I think that that realization gives you a little bit of power, because then you can be confident that okay, like, if I'm overwhelmed, that's okay. Because by choice, I can make myself a little more underwhelmed, right. And that was what one of the realizations that I had to kind of learn. I think having twins really forced me into being cool with asking for help. Because before that, with just having two kids, I was definitely the like, I'm going to do this on my own. I don't need any help. I can do all the things. It you know, but it's so stressful. You know, whether you have one kid, whether you have two kids when you got eight kids, but it's still not always picture perfect. And I realized that if I wanted to, and we homeschool as well. And so I was like, okay, you know, I gotta realize my limits if I really want to have a part in educating my kids, and I want to stay at home. But yeah, I also want to be in ministry. But yet, I also want to earn money and feel accomplished that way. But yet, I also want to clean house like, I literally can't do it all. And so someone, please help me. And so, you know, that's what's different for us in different seasons. One thing that we did when we moved to Texas is we knew that date nights between my husband and I were super important with having, you know, being in a new environment and having so many little kids. And so we found a couple people we can trust and we had to pay for two babysitters, when we would want to go out because I didn't really feel comfortable leaving one college girl alone yet to two newborn infants and a two year old and four year olds now. And so we made the investment and we shelled out for babysitting fees so that we could have that time together. And so that's kind of how I looked at asking for help going forward is like I'm investing in not just my time to do the things that I want or need to do or time with my husband, but just in my family in general. It's good to kind of have a new energy come into the house and I don't need to be prideful about I did this and I did that if somebody helped me then thank you God for sending them into my life. So absolutely. I one of the revelations that I had on the couch one time Before we have kind of a, I guess she would be a part time nanny. It's a she's someone consistent who comes in, you know, it's not somebody different every time. But before we found her last year, I was sitting on the couch folding clothes. And I had like a, I don't know, an angry day. Everything I do just get some done like, why am I even folding these clothes? They're just gonna wear on tomorrow and they're gonna get dirty anyway, you know. And I was just kind of complaining. And I felt like God was like, if you had someone to help you do all of this like to do the chores to help take care of the kids to help cook to help clean up, like, would that be valuable to you? And I like kind of got excited, like, Oh my gosh, yes. Like if you have someone in mind, but what Who should I call? And he didn't give me a name or a face or anything like that. But he said, and then why is it any less valuable when you do it? And so it was like, oh, okay, like I would, I would place value on all of the things if someone else was doing it, or I literally am placing value on it if I'm paying someone else, right, like you're paying someone to clean your house, you're placing value on that. And so why is it any less valuable if you're doing it yourself, and it's not. But sometimes you just have to get to get chastised just a little bit to get back in place. But yeah, there's a lot of learning that happens on the journey of motherhood, and it's not all fun or feel good. But it's

Nicole Clark: 11:34

Yes, yeah, absolutely. And so, Megan, what necessary. do you think- Are you more intentional? You know? Or do you just try to simplify all the areas of your life? You know, does that make sense? Like, are you just like, it can be messy, it can be chaotic. But in this moment, we're gonna be super intentional, or, like, are you just trying to simplify all of those areas in your life? You know, to kind of make it work?

Megan Howell: 12:01

That's a good question. Um, you know, I have come to some standard of flexibility. But yet at the same time, I know who I am, and I'm not, I'm a person of order. I like to have things organized, I like to have things clean, I like to have things taken along at a good predictable pace. That's just me, that's just how I like it. I am not a spontaneous risk taking, you know, fly by the seat of my pants kind of woman, I'm just not. And so and that's okay, like some people are, and they probably have way more fun as a human than I do. But I'm focused, and I'm structured, and I'm okay with that. But at the same time, I have kind of learned, like, if plans get moved, or things get changed, then I just need to roll with it. Because being upset about it really does no good. Anyway. So we do have, I would say, a fairly simple quote, unquote, life. Currently, we live out in the country. And so with the kids and homeschooling schedule, for now, they do have a lot of freedom, you know, just to run around and be kids. And I like that aspect. As far as you know, it being simple. We don't, I mean, like little practical things, like we don't buy our kids, a lot of toys. We kind of let the grandparents get them a couple of things for birthdays or Christmas. But we, especially in the last couple years, have just started asking like, Hey, can you just buy us a family pass to this place? Or, you know, can you buy us entry fees for for this so that we can have those experiences because first of all, it's good, I love that the the toys are either going to get lost or broken, or something literally within a 24 hour period unless they're made of wood or steel. And so I don't need a plastic things laying around my house for things to get stepped on, or whatever. So. And we've also asked for, like bigger outside items, you know, like, hey, if you want to throw in a little bit of money towards the trampoline, or if you want to throw some money towards this kid's new bike, because we're gonna need one, you know, so if it's going to make them physically active, or they're going to be outside or it's going to create a memory that I'm down with it is I'm just gonna have to pick it up and clean it at the end of the day please don't buy it. So like in our kids rooms, like in the boys room, they have some Legos and some Lincoln Logs and some cars. And that's pretty much what everybody plays with all day every day. And it helps them to stimulate their imagination. They build stuff all day long. They build farms and zoos and baseball stadiums and know that it just kind of lets their mind go. And if there was just a whole bunch of random toys sitting around, they they don't get played. But if they can make something out of, you know, playdough, like all that kind of stuff I'm cool with. So I guess simplicity in that aspect. Yes. But I'm also about to have six children. And so simplicity. And that is I don't know, there's not a lot. It's very simple about that. But the part of my personality that has that gift of, you know, the planning ahead, and the structure and organization, I feel like, helps control the chaos. Yes.

Nicole Clark: 15:32

So what's your time like with the Lord? Like, are you able to have quiet time? You know, yeah, what does that look like?

Megan Howell: 15:38

I have to? Yes, so I get up early, normally 5:30, or before, depending on what time the youngest one is waking up and get it in. And also, I'm in a Bible study that is pretty, pretty structured, pretty class, like, and so like, every day, it has stuff for you to do. So that kind of keeps me on track. But then also, I've kind of had a new hunger ever since the beginning of the year, that's been really cool, actually. And so almost any time that I'm doing maybe monotonous work that I don't have to be superduper focused on, I've got some sort of sermon playing in the background, I almost always am listening to something while I'm driving. And so I can get in a good amount of teaching throughout the day, like knees soaking up different different lessons and different teachings from people throughout the day. But as far as just my one on one quiet time with God, then it's just it's early morning. And if I don't have it, I miss it. I really feel like I need it. So sometimes it just means getting up a little bit earlier.

Nicole Clark: 16:51

Yes. And how do you take care of yourself?

Megan Howell: 16:57

Part of it is knowing how to prioritize and schedule and being really consistent with that. And, you know, even if it's just knowing on the weekends, like Hey, Mike, you know, my husband is going to be home, can I please go smell some candles at Marshall's for a couple hours? I mean, I literally do that. I'm like, Hey, I Is it alright, if I go smell some candles? And he's like, yeah, I mean, that's literally what I'm doing. It's not like a code word or anything. I'll just go walk around my shells and my sweet time with all those breakable little small goods and not have to worry about fighting anybody off or somebody knocking them off the shelves. And I love that. I kind of stopped I used to love going grocery shopping by myself. But you know, I kind of figured timewise I can put stuff in an instant cart and go pay they don't deliver out here. I'm like, a few miles outside of town outside the boundary. So I still do have to go pick it up. But I used to really enjoy grocery shopping by myself. Every once in a while just taking a bath in the evenings. It's not like I do like extravagant, expensive things. It's just the like, I'm going to get away for a little bit Oh, in the summers. I love laying out. And so almost every day when it's sunny outside in the summers, I go get about 30 minutes of just I'm laying out whether I'm reading a book or listening to music or on my phone or there's I'm just laying there. That fills me up. And I know that I love it. And I know that I need it. So that also motivates me to keep kids on a pretty good schedule. So that I know, and I'm going to be able to get that time in so simple stuff. But it's the little things that can refresh you.

Nicole Clark: 18:52

Yes. And so you have a system in place that you have to take the time. I think that's so great. Because I know just regardless of your, you know, situation, whether you're at home or you're working you have one kid or eight kiddos, you know, it's just you are, you know, pouring out all day long. And so you have to just take the time, you know, for yourself as well. Yes. Megan, are you good are not so good at giving yourself grace.

Megan Howell: 19:23

I'm a lot better than I used to be for sure. For sure. Like I used to beat myself up about everything. You know it I there just was not a day that went by that I didn't put my head on the pillow at night and just be like you failed again. You know and and I guess it wasn't necessarily beating myself up I but the devil beat me up every day. I would just listen to the lies on replay over and over. And I just take it it was like a woman in an abusive relationship. Who's not willing to leave. I was just like, okay, yes, yes, I screwed up. I'm sorry. I'll try it harder. You know, that was that was on constant replay. Just through a lot of work and growth and revelation over the last few years, I'm like, Alright, well, I'm done with that, we're gonna move on to something a little more healthy and a little more fun. For instance, I completely spaced on. So my kids go to is a program where they are in class twice a week. And they had a Valentine's Day party. And I had some work phone calls in the morning and one got moved. And I scheduled it for a time that I thought it wasn't gonna be a big deal. When I got off of the phone call. I was planning on leaving to go to their party. And it's a 45 minute drive to their school. And I got off of the phone call. And I was like,

Oh, my gosh, it's 1: 20:48

30. their party's starting right now. And so I left and I got there in time to pick them up from school, but I missed the party, right? And I got in the car, and I heard you are the worst mom ever. And I literally laughed. I laughed. I was like, No, I'm not. Nice try. But I was up at

5: 21:12

30 this morning, packing their little lunches and sending the treats. And I did this and this. And I just reminded him of everything that I did that day. And I was like, Good try, but I'm not taking the bait on that one anymore. And, you know, like a week ago, I forgot. We got invited to one of their friend's birthday parties. And it was a brother and a sister. They have birthday parties super close together. And I completely spaced it. And it was a day. It was the day before my birthday. So my husband surprised me with like lunch and some other stuff. And so I completely forgot about the birthday party. And I in the past would have beat myself up over it. I would have felt terrible. But I was like, You know what? Okay, moving on. We want to bounce house and city. And so I was like, Why don't they just come out to our house, we'll blow up a bounce house. And I'll make some popcorn and cupcakes. And we'll just call it good. And you're like yeah, okay, great. So, yes, I'm way better about giving myself grace now, because I think that one thing that pushed me towards that is one of our daughters her personality and her weakness is to really take on guilt and shame and condemnation. Like if she messes up, she wants to be really good, you know, and some of my other kids, I'm like, do you feel guilty ever? But with, but with her, she I'm like, honey, it's not a big deal. You know, and I'm trying to walk her through that. And I think watching her experience, hurt from taking on such guilt over little things. I'm like this and that, okay, and so that's actually helped me work through giving myself grace in the process of teaching her to do that for herself.

Nicole Clark: 23:00

That's awesome. My daughter is the same way. Like she just will carry that, you know, and just has this kind of perfection. I'm going to call it a perfection idol. You know, and so that's good. Yeah, you got to give yourself grace. And then when you're telling those stories, I was like, Oh, thank you, Lord. I'm not the only one. Yeah, right. It's it's all of us. For sure. So almost having six kiddos, what are like just a handful of those life essentials that you have to have?

Megan Howell: 23:28

Snacks in the purse? We Okay, well, like realistically, we have a potty seat in our van. Because for some reason, I'm not really sure why but a lot of Texas Parks don't have bathrooms. But also when you've got a whole bunch of little kids and car seats, and you're stopped at a stoplight or you know you're running errands and you don't want to unload everybody because one person has to go potty like it's a lifesaver. So potty seat man. snacks and first. Let's essentials. Hmm, I don't know, husbands pretty good to have around. I would, I would do what you need to do to keep them. Man, I don't know. I would say everything else is pretty expendable, other than just having food on hand to stave off the hangry times and it's a place to go potty.

Nicole Clark: 24:37

It's really good. I think. Yeah, it's super important. I know that that really helps someone that's listening right now. They're like, Oh my goodness. Problem solved.

Megan Howell: 24:46

Yeah, so I also by those boxes of cereal at Sam's Club that have like the world travel size boxes of cereal. There's like around 20 or 30 little mini boxes that come in this box. And so I just shove that into one of the seats in the van just in case, I run out of snacks in my purse, and I know, we've got something in the van for somebody to eat. So yeah, there's a backup. Mm hmm. Yes, we do.

Nicole Clark: 25:16

So awesome. So, um, I'm going to switch gears just for one second, because I know that there is a listener out there and, and she, you know, is just like, I want to become a mom so bad, like that is just on her radar, it's on her heart, it's a huge desire, and she just is not a mom yet. So I would love for you just to talk to that woman who is just in the waiting, you know, to become a mother?

Megan Howell: 25:42

Well, um, you know, I would say, Be open to whatever that plan looks like for God for you. Because I know that so many desire, you know, their own child wishes, obviously, that's in wheat, right? Like he, he put us on the earth to be fruitful and to multiply from our own DNA, right. And so that's obviously something that is normal to want. But to still be open to where if, you know, God has a child for you to adopt or take in, or maybe just a slightly different plan than what you've always thought about. And just ask him to soften your heart to whatever his plan is. And, you know, if the waiting has gone on, and on and on and on, it's okay to say, okay, God, if this is not your will, for me, then I need you to take this desire away. Because I don't want to desire something that you don't have for me, but it is still for me increase that, because if my desire increases, and my hope is going to increase, I'm going to be able to hang on to that anchor, and often hold on because I have friends that are, you know, they struggled with infertility and ended up adopting, and they were married for like 16 or 17 years and then got pregnant and had a baby, you know, and so it's, you just never know, what the plan looks like, I would just really encourage you to, if the desire is not going away, then hang on to that as a sign and a promise. And if you don't really desire that any more than ask him to take it from you, and He will, and but after I said that prayer before, for sure. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And in the meantime, you know, using the time that you do have, because believe it or not you, if you are not a mother, and yet, and you're waiting for that first child, you have way more free time than the mother even when one has. But I would take advantage of that, and really get to know yourself and get to know God, because there's a lot of people that they really don't know themselves, they wouldn't be able to describe who they are without describing what they do, you know, and they might not completely know and understand the character of God. So take that time to dive into his identity and character and your identity and character. And maybe there's something that you can focus on working on and pouring some of that energy into, but no, I have a friend who's my age, and she's not married yet. She doesn't have kids, but she has that desire for herself. She wants a family someday. But I was thinking of her the other day as my 15 month old was sitting on my lap while I was trying to go to the bathroom in the morning. And I was like, I hope that she realizes and appreciates her alone time in the bath. Because it's really priceless. I mean, there's great things about motherhood, but there's also some things to be appreciated about the freedom. So yeah, I guess that would be my advice.

Nicole Clark: 28:48

Thank you for sharing that. Now tell everyone about your new motherhood course that's coming out.

Megan Howell: 28:53

Yeah, so um, I kind of felt like God was pushing me in a new career direction. And I've been kind of personally coaching some moms recently. And my husband, our my husband and I, both our leadership and legacy coaches, we have a lot of experience in different leadership avenues and ministry in business. And then obviously, just combining my experience that I've had another head so far, I would have liked to have had somewhere that I could go That was a resource or a human that I felt like was a safe place to not only be able to air some of my concerns and my frustrations but also have to have an action plan to go forward. Because there's a lot of friends that we can talk to and share experiences with and kind of get some empathy out of and they may not necessarily have an answer for you or a path for you to take. And then there's a lot of people that we don't know, that maybe have answers that we're going to all these different sources, you know, we're seeking out an answer for discipline, we're seeking out an answer for peace in the home, we're seeking out an answer for how do I manage my time, you know, in all these different areas. And so I thought, it'd be a really cool thing to be able to have a place where women could go, they're getting some Godly wisdom and guidance, but at the same time, super practical steps to be able to help them with their area of struggle, where they're not gonna be judged for it, because I can promise you, I've been through the same thing. You know, I told one of my friends the other day, I was like, it's not that I never felt like, Oh, I can't, you know, call this woman in church. You know, this elderly woman who I see as a mentor, she's really great. It's not that I felt like I couldn't ever call her and talk to her about stuff. But it's like, if she can put me in jail for the thoughts that I'm really having. Because I don't know how honest I can really be and still show my face next week. So there's always like a little bit of hold up with people that are involved personally in your life, too, because you're like, I don't, how much do I open up? What do I really share? Are they going to judge me. So I did develop an online course called mastering motherhood. And we do cover a lot of different areas. And the subtitle to it is avoiding meltdowns. Finding your confidence and worth as a mother and prioritizing your time for a more peaceful day. And so it's going to have different modules that moms can walk through on their own time as they have, they have some free time and some activities for them to follow. But then it's also going to give them access into a Facebook community to where they can pull some advice from other moms, they can get in touch with me. And so that's going to be launching here at the end of March, beginning of April. I'm really I need it launched before the baby comes just to focus. But I do have a guy, that's amazing that he's helping me because I was like, Okay, I can come up with everything like I can get, I can create the content, I can teach it all, I have no idea how to put something on the internet. So I really need you to do that for me. So he's helping me out with that. And our goal here is in the next couple of weeks to get that finished and launched and ready for all the money's out there.

Nicole Clark: 32:28

That is so exciting. You guys, we will absolutely post a link to the motherhood course, in the show notes. But Megan, I just want to thank you for being on the podcast today. so grateful for you.

Megan Howell: 32:40

Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It was fun. I liked it.

Nicole Clark: 32:43

Good. So tell everybody really quick, how can they find you online and either on your socials.

Megan Howell: 32:51

So the easiest way is probably going to be to search our legacy living Facebook page for right now. And that is our our business name. That's our LLC, you can either search Legacy Living or it's@howelllegacyliving on Facebook. You can email me at howelllegacyliving@gmail.com. The motherhood Facebook community is so far only available to people who are going to be purchasing the course. And so that's the route you would have to go through to get to that. But to get to me, that Facebook page for email address is going to be the best route.

Nicole Clark: 33:32

Awesome. Thanks for sharing. So I've got a final tip for you really quick, because you know, this podcast

is all about Matthew 5: 33:37

16 and letting our light shine for the Lord because God uses our story just to change the world. So how did your puzzle pieces lead you to where you are today?

Megan Howell: 33:51

You know, you really hindsight is 2020. Right? There's so many things that happen as you're going through life. And then you look back and you're like, oh man, God really did plan that. Like, there really was purpose in that. And I think that I've spent enough time reflecting on that and reflecting on his goodness and reflecting on the things that He's brought me through to be able to really line the path up that now going forward. There's not a lot of seasons that I'm in or things that I go through that feel hopeless or desperate because I'm like there's I know there's a purpose to this has to be right. And so I think that I would just encourage everybody to well, journaling has really helped me because then if I am kind of having a down day, I can go back to my journals and be like, Oh, yeah, he did do that because I read about the bad stuff in my journals too. Right. And Lord, help me for whoever finds these things. But they have really brought me back into perspective of like, Look, he brought you out of that, and that and that and that. And so whatever I'm currently going through, I'm like, Alright, cool. We'll see what this ends up like, you know, and then I kind of have a peace and hope again. Because I just I just know there's a plan now. Yeah, so good.

Nicole Clark: 35:20

And I truly think that you do such an amazing job Megan at shining bright and not hiding your light for the kingdom. Have you always been that way? And what can you share with us, you know, just to encourage us.

Megan Howell: 35:35

I would say that since at least since I've been an adult, I have definitely tried. I've always been more of a bold speaker. However, with maturity, my filters has changed. I used to not have as great of a filter, but um, I think just you know, like I said, with maturity, you learn to speak what needs to be said, but in love. But there's also you know, when you're like, Alright, Lord, use me as a mouthpiece. And if you need me to say something, and don't let me not say it, you know, and I think that if you kind of live that way, then you're probably gonna say some things that you're like, Oh my gosh, did that just come on and off, but if your heart is in the right place, and your intentions are in the right places, and it's going to be okay, so I would say personality wise, yes. But there's definitely been a refining that has happened over the last several years, especially in motherhood.

Nicole Clark: 36:40

So good, Megan, appreciate you. Thank you so much.

Megan Howell: 36:44

Yes. Thank you, Nicole.